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« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2009, 12:04:51 PM »
Well it's nice that people finally give this stuff attention because it's pertinent to their political position, but it's been going on for a long time. Vague/vast powergrabs from the executive and legislative branch aren't exactly new to the past 50 years. This is a perfect example of "Well we have to stop terrorists so give us a blank check!" This should seem familiar if you were alive and aware of current events in the past 10 years. But political punditry has a short memory, and a convenient affinity for change.

At this point I'm pretty sure obama is the only person to demonstrate the failures of our corporate oligarchy better than george bush or bill clinton. It is fairly amazing how fast people change their tune when it becomes them getting screwed.

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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2009, 05:34:17 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2009, 10:02:07 PM »
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At this point I'm pretty sure obama is the only person to demonstrate the failures of our corporate oligarchy better than george bush or bill clinton.

Would you explain that thought for me?

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« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2009, 12:15:52 AM »
i was wondering about that too

i suppose he's talking about the government bailouts of failed companies. these various players should have been allowed to fail as easily as they were allowed to rise to prominence. so... i'm going to go out on a limb here and take a guess that HD was referring to the simple fact that obama has not only continued, but strengthened the "message", that it is ok for a bank, or a manufacturing company, or virtually any other significant member of the economy, to fail at its own mission.  to fail its investors, and to fail its own workforce.  the fed will be there to bail you out of the hole you dug yourself in.

considering the fact that the ceo's and owners of these corporations are some of, if not  the, most powerful people to have ever existed, one wonders why they pay virtually no penalty for their actions, whether intentional acts of greed, or negligent acts of ignorance. both of which have caused great damage to the economy we have chosen to utilize to sustain our nation.

it goes against what many people think capitalism should be.  i'm not gonna say its perfect, but it could be better, yet it could also be much worse. i guess time will tell.


and i just realized how far i strayed from the original topic...heh, sorry.
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« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2009, 11:11:19 AM »
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Would you explain that thought for me?

I can try to elaborate.

I would classify us as a corporate/consumerist oligarchy for all the reasons that have become apparent over the past few years. Businesses become "too big to fail" if they lobby enough, or have enough people in the federal reserve. Most businesses would flat out lobby competition and small businesses into non-existence and have been relatively successful in some aspects. This is not the corporate world being evil per se as much as the people in washington not understanding their role at all. Consumers have only false choices in many cases, and are legally bound to pay for things they probably shouldn't have to just because of legislation keeping what should be long-extinct industries alive. Consider the DMCA, or the RIAA suing 12 year olds because of a startup bittorrent tracker essentially being a better method of music distribution, which is their only purpose and the only reason they leech off artists. I seem to remember rupert murdoch's son complaining a few days ago about some people providing news for free because it undermined his market WHICH SHOULDN'T FUCKING EXIST.

The second part is about Barack Obama. This part to me is very simple. He's a corporate creation, created by one side of the corporate dichotomy. Businesses x and y will benefit from him being in the white house, and businesses a and b will probably be obliterated and never heard from again. All this green crap is probably going to make GE even more dominant, and it just so happens that the media outlets that spoke most favorably of him and still do are connected to GE.

This is not capitalism. These are not free markets. This is the united states being run into the ground for the profit of a few. Oligarchy. It has nothing to do with going against free markets. The problem is that people lobby instead of actively competing. That is not where capitalism is supposed to be practiced. If you think it started just over the past few years, then you should really take another look at the last few administrations, and all of the wonderful things congress has done for companies that cant seem to do basic math.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2009, 04:03:30 AM »
well put.

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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2009, 12:47:15 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichotomy

Funny enough, put these two together and the thread is summarized. :P



 

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